--== Tableau Final / Final Table ==--

Et voici le Tableau Final de la RC Cup 2009 !!!

And here's the Final Table of the RC Cup 2009 !!!

Yeaaah super boulot les RC magnifique / Yeaaah nice work wonderful

GG à toutes les Teams et GL pour la suite / GG to all the Teams and GL for the Cup

In the name of DOS teams.. great job from RC team

thank you
good luck all



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Yop, bravo pour les qualifs mais il y a un soucis pour l'arbre final ^^

L'ordre des teams dans les poules n'est pas correct je pense, un exemple simple, les premier et deuxième des qualifications devrait logiquement ne pouvoir s'affronter qu'en finale. Dans l'ordre actuel des choses, les 4 premières équipes des qualifications, si elles gagnent leur match se retrouveront toutes les 4 en quart de finale dans la même partie de tableau. Je pense que vous avez compris mon raisonnement je vous laisse donc en juger

Bravo les RC , ca va saigner !!

Foucozor a écrit:

Yop, bravo pour les qualifs mais il y a un soucis pour l'arbre final ^^

L'ordre des teams dans les poules n'est pas correct je pense, un exemple simple, les premier et deuxième des qualifications devrait logiquement ne pouvoir s'affronter qu'en finale. Dans l'ordre actuel des choses, les 4 premières équipes des qualifications, si elles gagnent leur match se retrouveront toutes les 4 en quart de finale dans la même partie de tableau. Je pense que vous avez compris mon raisonnement je vous laisse donc en juger

oui on a compris mais c'est pas l'ordre des teams dans les poules mais l'ordre des vainqueurs et perdants de matchs de poule^^

En l'occurence le 1er de la poule A devrait rencontré le 2eme de la poule H, etc ....

Je rejoins mes camarades sur le fait que les deux meilleures équipes des qualifications vont "surement" s'affronter en 1/4 de finale. Et comme la dit Zik lors des éliminations directes, ce n'est pas la poule A et B qui doivent s'affronter mais la poule A et H, B et G, et ainsi de suite....

Pareil pour ma part, c'est vrai que vu l'arbre les gros matchs auront lieu dès les quarts de finale ce qui n'est pas très logique par rapport aux qualifications.

hmm i think they're some mistakes in the groups

should be gone this way,

A...........B.........C..........D........E.........F.........G.........H

1...........2..........3..........4..........5........6.........7.........8
16.........15........14........13........12.......11.......10........9
24.........23........22........21........20.......19.......18........17
32.........31........30........29........28.......27.......26........25


isn't it more logical and fairplay?
and it gives the point of making seeding in qualifications
of course the numbers means teams with their places in quali
am i right?
btw do You like my graphic skills? :D:D

Yes, skopol are absolutely right.
It's more logical and fairplay.

HI ALL

SKOPOL !!!

is not correct, teams 1 and 2 may not meet earlier than the finals

We are waiting for news from EDEN

hmm i think they're some mistakes in the groups

should be gone this way,

A...........B.........C..........D........E.........F.........G.........H

1............4..........6..........8..........7........5........3..........2
16.........13........11........10.........9........12.......14........15
24.........21........19........18........17.......20.......22........23
32.........29........27........26........25.......28.......30........31


isn't it more logical and fairplay?
and it gives the point of making seeding in qualifications
of course the numbers means teams with their places in quali
am i right?
btw do You like my graphic skills? :D:D

Yes yes kikers You're absolutely right i made mistake in first line and after all lines are mistake then, i edited it sry
now in the semifinals the best games can be 1 with 4 and in second semifinal 2 with 3 ,
the teams in the rest lines i put from lowest seed to biggest,
for example i started in second line the worst place under the best place in quali,
after the second worst under the second in quali and so on so on
sorry for little confusing

Ok!!! NO

I think that it would be more accurate
To not have team 2 and 3 is already 1 / 4 final


A...........B.........C..........D........E.........F.........G.........H

1............8..........4.........5..........6........3........7..........2
16.........9........13........12.........11........14.......10........15
24.........17........21........20........19.......22.......18........23
32.........25........29........28........27.......30.......26........31

psSorry for bad English language

Why do you compare the qualify with the rest of the tournament?

We can also delete the no. 5-32 of the tournament because they dont have a chance at all to reach the final. Wut? They can!!

The qualify is a whole different set-up. You cant compare it with the rest of the tournament. At the qualify you can try again and again and again. At the tournament you have to be constant. You are ale to win, even when youre slower than the other team coz you dont make mistakes.

Agree with the new groups provision, it's logical

E' molto più semplice lasciare le poule come sono ma invertire le squadre della fase a eliminazione.

It's more simple to invert the teams after the pole phases:
Es:

1/8 final 1	1/8 final 2	1/8 final 3	1/8 final 4	1/8 final 5	1/8 final 6	1/8 final 7	1/8 final 8
1st poule A	1st poule C	1st poule E	1st poule G	1st poule B	1st poule D	1st poule F	1st poule H
2nd poule B	2nd poule D	2nd poule F	2nd poule H	2nd poule A	2nd poule C	2nd poule E	2nd poule G

In questo modo le due squadre migliori in qualifca hanno la possibilità di arrivare in finale senza scontrarsi, e la stessa possibilità per la 3a e la 4a di arrivare alla semifinale, ecc...

In this way, two best qualification teams have the chance to go all at the final , as well as the 3rd and 4th have the same chance to go all to semifinal, etc...

Mass a écrit:

Why do you compare the qualify with the rest of the tournament?

We can also delete the no. 5-32 of the tournament because they dont have a chance at all to reach the final. Wut? They can!!

The qualify is a whole different set-up. You cant compare it with the rest of the tournament. At the qualify you can try again and again and again. At the tournament you have to be constant. You are ale to win, even when youre slower than the other team coz you dont make mistakes.

Oh, and everybody agreed with the rules before tournament? Lol, i dont want to play the devil guys Im really sorry

I think its obvious that the best team from qualifiers should be rewarded with the easiest group. The original scheme made the 8th place team from qualifiers have the easiest group, that is not very logical or fair.

I think the scheme of kikers is the correct way to do it.

Oh, I was looking for the RC-cup forum...hmmm this must be mathematical/graphic olympics.... some1 point me in right direction plz....

So you want to change the pools huhuuuu, not fair ahahaa.... I think the original plan is exactly that... It reflects the relative strength between the teams from their effort in qualifying. so best team in pool always meets the one 8 places under, 2nd best are 8 qualify placement over 3rd etc.....dunno what you think of as logic, but on planet Ros(neighbour of Vulcan!) we do it as earlier agreed upon..

Quite sure we all had to comply with the rules in registration or have I gone completely bonkers??

You know Gus, pool H is not as easy(relatively speaking o.c.) for 8th in quali as it is for 1st in quali, see what I mean? if you turn it around it will actually be very unfair for exactly 8th in quali, aaand some teams have also driven qualify thinking of the chart that was in the rules... and now make it different? nononono!!

If you absolutely have to change something.. change the 1/8 finals...
You take two hats, in one you put pool winners, in the other you put pool runners-up, and voila! the 1/8 finals are drawn.. I can think of a few other competitions in much larger sports than TM-dirt who does it in that way.....

Well, hope you all agree with yourself or something soon

@sko: i could use a graphic artist like you..your job would also include caring for my most intimate hygiene, and giving me driving lessons in TM. I pay in fish & vodka

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i think same as you rosseatta stoned
its not unfair
and nice work skopol

Rc made qualifs because we re too much , not classement for later

rosettastoned a écrit:

You know Gus, pool H is not as easy(relatively speaking o.c.) for 8th in quali as it is for 1st in quali, see what I mean? if you turn it around it will actually be very unfair for exactly 8th in quali, ...

Im talking bout the kikers way here:

I cannot see how it will be unfair for 8th in quali. If they had been one spot better they had been rewarded by playing no10 instead of no9, nothing unfair about that.

What is unfair is rewarding the lucky number 8 and giving them the easiest group. If there had been live standings all the time (like in xtreme dirt tournament) there had been an opportunity to do a "strategic" qualifier and in that way have some control over the following league tables, then I could understand that the tables couldnt be changed afterwards.

But as it is now, if the tables are not changed to the kikers way (the right way) then at least change the playoff structure so the 1st quali and the second quali can meet in final!

Why should nr1 and nr2 only meet in final? To make it more exciting? To give people a better oppertunity to reach the final? Afraid of winning too less coppers? Or affraid to loose fast drivers in 1/4 or 1/2 final?

I guess its not about meeting your best friends in final. Its about being the fastest, the best will win. I dont see the problem

Citation :

What is unfair is rewarding the lucky number 8 and giving them the easiest group

in YOUR view its indeed the easiest group because you are an extremely fast driver. In THEIR view its the same as yours. They will play against people 8, 16 and 24 teams below them. Just like you.

personnaly i think the qualifying was just to know who will participate not to know who will go in final . this point will be known with all the match. every teams who's qualify have a chance to go in final +or- of course some teams are better than the rest but in a match everything can happen so. we all have to do our best to go in final. why only n°1 and n°2 of qualifying should go in final ???? it's not logical .

in F1 if alonso qualify in 1st place and buemi at the last, alonso won't be sure to win cose if he have an accident he can finish last and in opposition buemi can finish 1st if he is the last driver in race . you know what i mean ?

so i think the 1st final table (RC's) is correct !!!!!

excuse all my bad at spelling i'm just a little french